From 73313.2671@compuserve.com Tue Dec 17 22:40:53 1996 Received: from hil-img-6.compuserve.com (hil-img-6.compuserve.com [149.174.177.136]) by dkuug.dk (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id WAA13755 for ; Tue, 17 Dec 1996 22:40:46 +0100 Received: by hil-img-6.compuserve.com (8.6.10/5.950515) id QAA17979; Tue, 17 Dec 1996 16:40:14 -0500 Date: Tue, 17 Dec 1996 16:40:01 -0500 From: Bob Mathis <73313.2671@compuserve.com> Subject: HTML for Jan meeting, rev A To: Java Study Group Message-ID: <199612171640_MC1-D43-86@compuserve.com> This is an HTML-ified version of the meeting announcement sent earlier today. I expect to refine it some over the next couple of weeks. I expect to have this document and other relevant files on disk at the meeting. (Everything should have been distributed by mail, but I'll have what I consider relevant collected at least for my own use. In this document I refer to mail messages by their number, e.g., (SC22JSG.216), but they're not linked as yet. They are all available on the Web page http://www.dkuug.dk/JTC1/SC22/JSG/.) I am currently using Internet Explorer 3.0 on Windows95. I have tried to keep this simple so it should work on all browsers.

This is a long text message since I expect it will be easier to copy and edit the text than deal with an included or attached file.

Let me know how this works.

Bob Mathis - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -

Java Study Group, Jan 7-8, 1997, Rev A ISO/IEC JTC1/SC22 Java Study Group will hold an informal meeting
Tuesday and Wednesday, January 7-8, 1997, in
Cupertino, CA, beginning at 9:00am at
JavaSoft, 10201 North De Anza Blvd, Cupertino, CA 95014.

This meeting will be informal in the sense that no formal actions are anticipated (or will be allowed). The purpose is face-to-face discussion of issues and the formulation of those issues so they can be submitted for voting by the whole study group, the recommendations of the study group are subject to formal voting by the members of SC22.

This message has three main parts: JSG Agenda, a list of anticipated attendees (confirmations needed) and local information (including some possible hotel choices).

There will be a separate Java SIG meeting on Monday evening, January 6. I'll send more information on that when I have it.

Java Study Group (JSG) AGENDA

Tuesday, January 7, 1997: joint meeting with SC29/WG12 MHEG, 9:00am

(Note: this joint meeting was the primary reason for choosing this place and date.)
Information about SC29/WG12 and their meeting can be found at http://www.demon.co.uk/tcasey/wg1 2 userid MHEG passwd GEHM
There will be tutorials on MHEG 5&6 in the morning and an administrative meeting in the afternoon.

Wednesday, January 8, 1997: separate meeting for review of JSG alternatives

Meeting Secretary -- Rex Jaeschke (possibly)

I. Possible Candidate Technologies for Standardization

Java language
Java Virtual Machine
AWT
Java Class Libraries
Java Beans
Java OS
i18n
Other API's (Security, 3D, etc.)
JDBC

ECMA Script (also known as, JavaScript or JScript) (ECMA TC 39) (SC22JSG.202)

ActiveX (Open Group)

[NOTE: I haven't decided how to reference previous correspondence and other pointers yet so this section is not as pretty and as organized as I expect it will be soon.]
ANDF (Architecture-Neutral Distribution Format) (SC22JSG.212)
http://riwww.osf.org/andf/andf.papers/toc.html
Inferno, Lucent Technologies
http://inferno.bell-labs.com/inferno/
Gazelle / Juice (SC22JSG.157)
http://www.ics.uci.edu/~juice
ScriptEase (Cmm) Nombas (SC22JSG.154)

II. Possible Approaches

ISO/IEC JTC1/SC22 Committee developed draft and traditional voting
Fast Tracking existing standard (with subsequent committee) (SC22JSG.204)
Adopting a PAS (Publicly Available Specification)

ECMA
OMG
Open Group

US Organization (Wednesday afternoon discussion):
US TAG (Technical Advisory Group) for ISO...JSG
X3, IEEE, Canvass (independent group)
Organizing Committee: Bob Mathis, Rex Jaeschke, others?
IPF (International Participation Fee)

Timing

III. General Issues

[NOTE: this needs cleaning up and better organization.]

Internationalization (i18n)

Localization (i.e. Japanization in Java language/AWT)

Tim Boreham's suggestions:
1. Sun Microsystems Java environment is an architecturally neutral applications environment for distributed applications.
2. Java (and all its associated items - JVM, the language, etc.) is worthy of standardization. (other languages/environments may also be worthy of standardization - later)
3. The standardization process needs the participation of Sun.
4. The standard should correspond as closely as possible to the Sun specifications (new features can be added in the second version).

David Wheeler's Proposal (SC22JSG.168)

Other Suggestions


1. We want standardization to proceed as rapidly as possible.

2. Java is a member of the C family of languages, but trying to force Java's description to be too close to C would be inappropriate. [This was discussed on the JSG e-list without much agreement.]

3. Standards are needed (in priority order) for:
Java Virtual Machine and
Java programming language

4. corporate positions relating to the availability of copyrighted, trademarked, and/or licensed material that may be relevant to the standards process [things change so fast that it's hard to predict the content of this item, but we might either be moving ahead very rapidly with everybody participating and cooperating or we might want to wait for others to come on board]

5. discuss specifics of organization in terms of what new work items to suggest, what working groups to form, how this work would relate to ISO/IEC national member bodies, liaisons with other JTC1 SCs and WGs, how to work effectively electronically, how to organize national delegations, how to involve and respond to the volume of technical activity in this area, how to vote, and (I know this isn't of interest to the whole group) how the US might organize itself;

6. initial discussion of some technical issues; this might involve reviewing some products, books, or add-on capabilities.


Use "::" in a Java qualified-name (SC22JSG.216)

Use Argument Names to disambiguate Overloaded Methods (SC22JSG.216)

Generics or Templates (SC22JSG.176)
http://wwwipd.ira.uka.de/~odersky/papers.html#Pizza


ATTENDEES


CONFIRMED:

Magnus Y Alvestad
John C. Benito
Sean A. Corfield (UK Head of Delegation)
Frank Farance
Rex Jaeschke
Derek Jones (UK Delegation)
Toshiaki Kurokawa
Dmitry Lenkov
Brian Marks (UK Delegation)
Neil Martin (UK Delegation)
Bob Mathis
Kevin Miller
Valerie Taylor
Simon Tooke

POSSIBLE:

Steve Carson
Dick Gemoets
Sam Harbison
Elliotte Rusty Harold
Scott Jameson
Andy Johnson
Randy Meyers
John D. Mitchell
Keld J|rn Simonsen
Pete Smith

LOCAL INFORMATION

 (taken from the SC29/WG12 announcement)

AIRPORTS:

The airports closest to Cupertino are San Francisco International Airport and San Jose International Airport. If you must connect through another US airport, and if time is the sole criteria, consider San Jose rather than San Francisco. It will save about 45 minutes. You should rent a car. [Personal note from Mathis, I don't like renting cars in general, but California is one place it makes sense. There will be plenty of local people and others who rent cars so I'm sure we could make arrangements for anybody with my natural reluctance for renting.]

Directions From San Francisco Airport:
San Francisco International Airport has more direct flights from Europe, and is about 60 minutes north of Cupertino if traffic is light.
The route via US 101 is South and East toward San Jose and Mountain View to US 85, then South on US 85 to US 280, then East on US 280 towards San Jose. The first exit after joining US 280 is Sunnyvale Saratoga & De Anza Boulevard. Exit here. Turn right onto De Anza Boulevard. The Apple corporate site is at the De Anza exit and should be on your left. The JavaSoft site is about 3/4 blocks west on the right hand side (that is West side) of De Anza Boulevard. There is a KidsSoft building just before it.
The route via US 280 is South and East towards San Jose. Cupertino is just South of Los Altos. Exit at Sunnyvale Saratoga & De Anza Boulevard. The exit before this is for US 85. Turn right onto De Anza Boulevard. The Apple corporate site is at the De Anza exit and should be on your left. The JavaSoft site is about 3/4 blocks west on the right hand side (that is West side) of De Anza Boulevard. There is a KidsSoft building just before it.

Directions From San Jose Airport:
San Jose International Airport is closest to the site. Its about 15-20 minutes South of Cupertino. Take US 280 West and North toward San Francisco. Exit at Sunnyvale Saratoga & De Anza Boulevard. The exit before this is Wolfe Road. Turn left onto De Anza Boulevard. The direction is south. The corporate site for Apple is at the De Anza exit and should be on your left. (If you enter the Apple site, avoid the Infinite Loop.) The JavaSoft site is about 3/4 blocks west on the right hand side (that is west side) of De Anza Boulevard. There is a KidsSoft building just before it.

Information on San Francisco International Airport and San Jose International Airport, for example the airlines which serve the airports, the terminals' maps, additional hotel information, ground transportation and shuttle service from both airports is available at http://www.quickaid.com/airports

HOTELS

At least one participant has mentioned staying at the Fairmont Hotel in San Jose. I've never stayed there so I cannot make any comments.

If you'll communicate on the list about your plans, common arrangements might result.

The hotels shown below offer reduced rates for Sun Microsystems.

The hotel closest to the JavaSoft site is:

Marriott Courtyard - Cupertino
10605 North Wolf Road
Cupertino, California
1- 408-252-9100

Cupertino Inn - Cupertino
10889 N. DeAnza Boulevard
Cupertino, California 95014
1-800-222-4828 (in the U.S.)
Fax: 1-408-257-0578
Corporate Rate: $152.00 ($99.00 - Fridays & Saturdays)

The Palo Alto locations shown below are close to Stanford University, with numerous restaurants and bookstores in the area. Palo Alto is about 20-30 minutes north of Cupertino.

Garden Court Hotel
520 Cowper St.
Palo Alto, California
1-800-824-9028
$165.00

Holiday Inn Palo Alto
625 El Camino Real
Palo Alto, California
1-415-328-2800
$125.00

Stanford Park Hotel
El Camino Real
Menlo Park, California
1-415-322-1234
$145.00

The hotels below are toward San Jose near US 101 and would be convenient to the San Jose airport.

Sunnyvale Hilton
1250 Lakeside Drive
Sunnyvale, California
1-408-738-4888
$95.00

Embassy Suites
885 Lakeside Dr.
Santa Clara, California
1-408-496-6400

Information about Java SIG

To be supplied when available.

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